Prof. Alfred McCoy, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison discusses details from his article for TomDispatch, “Surveillance Blowback: The Making of the US Surveillance State, 1898-2020; speaks of importance of Snowden’s leaks; attempt by Congress to curtail government surveillance; traces it back to US war on Philippines and role of Ralph Van Deman, father of US military intelligence; his collaboration with private right wing groups in 40s; describes WW1 crackdown on Left, IWW; COINTEL in 60s; recalls predicting 4 years ago the rise of US surveillance state; how Obama has expanded Bush surveillance programs into space.: Interviewer Jeff Blankfort from KZYX.